Japanese crossword #3082

Baby cart

The image quality of this buggaboo frog picture doesn't make the difficulty feel satisfying.

I agree with 'ggg'. It is quite difficult and not a great picture.

easier than I thought

If you need to vomit, you should use a toilet and not a baby carriage, especially if there's a baby in it.

very cool. pic just pops out. love it

It isn't that difficult guys...

I definitely see it. Nice and hard, too.

I have to push the pram a lot.

Not possible to complete using logic alone. Disappointing

It is possible to complete with logic only.

Not possible with logic alone, even if Mam thinks it is.

It is possible with logic alone, just not with the simple logic features we are used to apply to the usual nonograms. I got stuck a few times but I managed to get through all of it by picturing possible outcomes and choosing the only one that wasn't contraddictory. Now I definitely acquired a new trick I can use with other hard puzzles like this :D

Agree with Deejay, learned a new trick that will help with more difficult puzzles. Great teaching tool

The picture isn't bad, but I agree with the comments stating this is not possible with counting logic alone. There is way too much white and no full lines to use as guide. As a human I can sort of infer where a block should go "logically" to complete an image, but that's basically guessing. I don't like to just "guess." The most rewarding puzzles to me are the ones that you can't tell what the image will be til almost the end. I came down to the comments after I was stuck the first time with just a few moves in and saw people saying what the image was. In that way, I could infer where to place some blocks. That's not why I play these games; I want to work with counting logic, not "how well can I guess an image" logic. Still, if it's fun for some, then who am I to rate this badly? To each their own.

This is the first puzzle I comment without solving it. I gave up after 10 minutes after completing some cells and reading the comments that discouraged me to go on. As I said in an another post (and this is what FellHarbor basically says and I agree with him again), you have to reason to fill the cells and not just guess. What's the point in trying all the possibilities until you find the one not contradictory? This can be done by anyone (you need to open 2, 4, 8, 16, ... windows and solve each puzzle but solving the same puzzle all these times is absurd to me). And guessing is more stupid since this is a logic game. To be honest and coherent I would say that even the hints have not sense. I will try this puzzle another time.

OK guys, after you fill in the cells you are sure of (seventh line) and you use all three hints, then the puzzle become solvable, using only logic and not guessing or using some other tricks. Using only logic and avoiding helps it's IMPOSSIBLE to solve it.

Possible to solve. I used hint once and then saw how i could have calculated that hint myself. Don't be stupid :P

Ivan, the problem here is that you need to prove your statement, while I don't have to prove mine (quite more difficult, isn't it?). Until you and other people who claimed to have solved the puzzle (with or without hints? Not clear what you (plural) mean) shut up about the resolution, those words are not worth to me. Hope not to being too aggressive but that's it. With respect ;)

Ivan, the problem here is I am a complete dumb (can I say the same to users than commented before me? :)) and for many reasons (high level of difficulty, comments brainwashing and other) I overlooked something. The truth is, believe it or not, you can throw hints in the WC, avoid opening other windows to try all possible outcomes, use only the classic method of solving and after a LOT of time you will get to the solution.
Anyway easy puzzle as someone pointed out? Bullshits, not even close. Beginners should avoid it as death.

It is possible with logic alone. Marco, I could really record a movie and explain every move with logic, so, please. It is quite challenging puzzle, I give that, but certainly it is possible with logic alone.

Difficult. Contrary to what some people say in the comments, this nonogram CAN be solved using logic only.

Not for beginners, no, but I had no problem. I only play the puzzles rated 4+ star difficulty. I never place blocks based on what I think the picture is. I have never used hints, and I didn't on this one either. I didn't pay attention to my solve time, but it couldn't have been more than about 10 minutes. Very doable.

It IS posible to complete only with logic, a little tricky bot good.

For what it's worth I completed it with only logical steps, meaning if someone else had been supervising me I could have explained each move.

Difficult in the middle but nice pic at the end.

I will agree with some of the comments though, it is very difficult to solve with logic. I didn't use any hints but had to admit I pretty much had to guess where 2 cells were based upon the picture evolving. The remainder again I used logic. So while I did solve, it was not by using 100% logic.

I suspect that what is considered logic by some is considered guessing or trial and error by others. But please continue this heated discussion as the nonogram Olympics are certainly right around the corner (haha!). Personally, I do them for relaxation and if I'm real tense I may *start* by cheating. So there!

Oh, and by the way, my cheating is very logical and carefully considered for maximum impact. ;)

I solved the picture with logic only, no guessing and no hints used. It was not easy but definately possible. The skill you need to have is checking the borders and corners. I think this skill is not explained in the methods of solving still it is logic and not guessing.

Oh the banter is real

Nice picture and enough of a challenge to make it interesting. Thank you!

The puzzle is very difficult. Toward the end, counting logic will not be sufficient. You will have to "look ahead" and see what the effects of your moves will be. If you look far enough ahead (about 6 steps) you will find an impossible move. SPOILER (the issue i found that allowed me to solve it has to do with the 2 in the 9th row) No guesses or hints needed!

Hey guys, this isn't that difficult. It is solveable by simple logic, one step at a time, no need to look ahead. Still, it was interesting for such a small puzzle, it took me 11 minutes. Thanks, keep 'em coming. It's a nice way to pass some spare time.

Meow, well commented, solvable by logic, not too hard. But for a tiny one like this it is amazingly beautiful and difficult. I always admire those who invent these puzzles. Whoever it was, well done. And for those who have a rather sharp mouth, go do a better one if you can!

The only way to solve is to try multiple time "if-then" logic, when you try to imagine the cell is filled and look for contradiction. If there is no contradiction - thy another "if-then". I needed 3 to 4 successfully fined contradictions to be able to solve it.
No guessing, no hints, no automatic checks.

It is solvable without trick and hints. Just takes time but it's simple

I can confirm that this is possible with only logic. I'm not sure why people are mentioning so many steps (one person mentioned 6 steps ahead!) to get it.

*SPOILER FOR COMPLETION*

For me, after normal counting logic, I tried moving the 3 around in the last column to eliminate part of the border. After only the first elimination the rest of the puzzle was again solvable by counting logic.

I hope this helps ^-^

No hints, no complicated logic beyond the standard counting and eliminating. No mistakes necessary, no checking in the middle of the problem. I don't get the difficulty. Plus it's a very nice image when it's all done.

No está mal.
Gracias por el trabajo.

Got a little stuck until I figured out the top right corner. After that it was quite easy to finish it up.
If you think this puzzle isn't solvable without guessing or hints, you're limiting yourself. Either don't do 4 star puzzles (I generally don't, because I do this to relax my brain, not strain it), or broaden your horizons and learn new tricks.

This puzzle can be done without guessing and using hints. You have to find the contradictions in on the borders and the corners.

Possible without hint, have to think little longer...

TIP!!!
4&5 at the top line is the bottleneckopener.

I sorted by difficulty in the wrong direction and ended up here. :)

Every puzzle on the site is solvable by logic, with no guessing. That is one of the tenets of the site. Those who insist that guessing is *necessary* should take advantage of the opportunity to improve their own logic skills with these puzzles. The issue is not with the puzzle, it's with you. You are either unwilling, or unable, or too impatient to put in the time to work it out. Every hint requested is an opportunity to learn a new technique. Good solving everyone!

It IS possible to solve with logic ONLY!

I found this puzzle fairly easy. Great picture!

I solved the puzzle with logic only. So, it is possible.
I like the picture, rathet complex in such a little space.
Thank you to the designer.

I used two hints to solve this, but after it showed me the hints I could see exactly how I would have been able to figure it out. So it is possible with just logic, but still very difficult.

Had to use a hint. :-(

To add to this conversation: I was able to solve it with logic only.

The question here - you lot above me (you are VERY heavy by the way) is whether you are using logical logic or a form of illogical logic. I suspect that those of you who shout "IT CAN'T BE SOLVED" are in fact using the later!

All the puzzles on this site are solvable - without the need for a single guess - so please don't blame the author/puzzle for your own ineptitude! Just try a bit harder to get your head around it!

Lovely image. 4* puzzles are hard - that's the point.

I'm a novice. This is the first 4* puzzle I ever did and remarkably it wasn't that hard. Just a few logic steps, that's all. Or maybe I had a 'lucky mistake' but I guess not.

The puzzle requires thinking, yes, but it is possible to solve without guessing, without hints and without trial and error.

I thought this was a good puzzle. You can solve it using logic alone and no hints (I never use hints). But it does require clarity thought and you have to focus on the correct component to solve it.

I agree with every person that agrees this is totally solvable by logic alone. Each time I encounter a puzzle that is difficult, I remind myself there is NEVER any reason to guess. Then I learn yet another logic trick that carries me through.

I like this puzzle very much. It's difficult but relatively small. The picture is great. I really don't understand those who are dissapointed with the picture (what do they expect with such small resolution?) and who claim it's not solvable. It's of course solvable by using pure logic.

A fun challenge. I almost despaired, but I put it away and looked at it again. Somehow the logic became apparent.

Got stuck at one point. Then used one hint. Then completed the puzzle.
Trouble is, I do not understand the hint.
Most of the time I have this issue with hints. I presume hints are made from computer programming using recursion rather than "human logic".
A true helping hint would point at a "human rule", but to do so would require redoing the hint programming... Recursion solving is damn easy, I just do not program it, because this solving is no fun.

A woman with a stroller

It is solvable by logic but it is very difficult. I got stuck for a while but then deduced that the second set of 3s in rows 13 and 15 cannot reach column 12 as the 5 there would finish higher up. From there I could solve it more easily.

Good puzzle

Thank you :))

nice , solvable with logic, no hints, 55 minutes

I used all three hints and after each one I realised I could have found that bit out for myself if I'd not been so lazy. So I think it is solvable with a bit of thinking. I didn't make any 'guesses'. Took just under 14 minutes

17 minutes, 1 hint that I figured out immediately afterwards. Nice, fun and challenging logic.,

No hints or guesses necessary. In fact, it is on the simple side.. Surprised to see this many comments..

Good lord. I've been doing these for a while, and still encounter some rarely where i get stuck and need a hint. (I'm going back to do old ones). There was literally ONE point where finding the next clue just took a lot of searching...it wasn't even one of the very difficult clues. This is a 2.5 star difficulty MAX, and yet the comments are chock full of folks fuming at how it's impossible? It took 11 minutes for me, an no freaking "guesses" or convoluted chess-playing "trial-and-error" logic. I am confused how this puzzle got such a response. Maybe it was just at a more active time, with more inexperienced solvers?!?

I cannot believe the amount of comments for this pic. no wonder she is bent over with the weight of it all!

Specky ☺☺☺

beautiful image.

Kinda surprised by the amount of comments claiming this is unsolvable with just logic. It definitely is solvable. I wouldn't even put this in the top 10 most difficult puzzles of similar size on this site. It's a good one though.

Good one!!

Not very difficult, used only logic, no guessing, no hints

Did someone mention yet that it can't be done by logic alone?